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Post by songtitle on May 15, 2014 11:13:10 GMT -6
Ice is generally recommended and used for pitchers after games.
I understand that ice is good for muscles. But wouldn't ice be bad for ligaments (ex. the UCL)? Why would I want decreased blood flow for a ligament which already has a poor blood supply?
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Post by robinwilliams on May 17, 2014 4:03:00 GMT -6
Ice actually helps to stop internal bleeding in the tissue,relieves pain, reduces muscle spasm, cools deep tissues, lowers metabolic activity, and reduces swelling.
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Post by Len Macrina MSPT, SCS, CSCS on May 17, 2014 9:15:50 GMT -6
agree with robinwilliams (thanks for taking time out of your comedy routine to post here). Can't selectively ice but we know that throwing causes a low level inflammatory response on certain joints and we believe ice may help to minimize this cascade. I'm a believer in ice however research has not refuted either way... no harm, no foul (probably!!)
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Post by daque on May 20, 2014 10:58:54 GMT -6
"Ice is generally recommended and used for pitchers after games."
If you have pain then use ice after pitching. If not, it does impress the chicks.
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Post by robinwilliams on May 23, 2014 0:27:47 GMT -6
agree with robinwilliams (thanks for taking time out of your comedy routine to post here). Can't selectively ice but we know that throwing causes a low level inflammatory response on certain joints and we believe ice may help to minimize this cascade. I'm a believer in ice however research has not refuted either way... no harm, no foul (probably!!) You're most welcome. |
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Post by bentobox on May 28, 2014 11:06:38 GMT -6
Actually new studies show that ice might be mad for muscles and also can lower your performance and power. Apparently there is surprisingly "little science to support the practice" of icing muscles. Last year, a small-scale randomized trial found no discernible benefits from icing leg muscle tears.
The cooled muscles did not heal faster or feel less painful than the untreated tissues. But, as the researchers
point out, it is difficult to scientifically study icing, since you can’t blind people to whether they are receiving
the therapy or a placebo. People generally can tell if their muscles are getting cold or not.Source: well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/why-ice-may-be-bad-for-sore-muscles/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 |
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Post by songtitle on May 28, 2014 17:04:52 GMT -6
I am wondering if it's possible if icing could be causing (part of) the rise in UCL injuries, and TJ surgeries?
It seems like everyone ices now, and I don't remember kids doing this (as frequently) 20 years ago.
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Post by rockinfire on Jul 27, 2014 18:13:44 GMT -6
as far as icing "causing" or contributing to the rise in UCL injuries / TJ surgeries....No, and No. And kids didn't need to do this 20 yrs ago because they didn't play baseball year round, play on several teams in the same season, etc.
There is an increasing amount of surgeries being performed because no one is listening. MD Andrews has been preaching his recommendations for many years and few take heed. At the MLB level and below, we now have the first large sample size of players that have come up through the "travel ball" system. Many of the pitchers at that level are just now reaching failure.
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Post by miketace on Nov 13, 2014 16:42:46 GMT -6
Some of it may be due to economics. TJ surgeries have a high success rate these days (although probably not as many return to full pre-injury levels as some believe). It makes economic sense for professional teams to just go ahead with TJ rather than go through a prolonged rehab with a fairly high chance that surgery will still be required. The same logic applies for the pitchers as most have a rather limited window of opportunity. Imaging has also improved over the past 20 years so physicians may be more ready to go to surgery based on imaging than they would've in the past when results might not have been as conclusive. Some of it may be due to players simply throwing harder than they did 20 years ago. Much of it is certainly due to over use.
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Post by daque on Dec 10, 2014 11:36:09 GMT -6
If a broken arm is not set to the correct position and allowed to heal as deformed, it shall remain deformed to some degree forever. Likewise, it is my belief that a damaged UCL if not given sufficient time to heal shall forever be deformed and prone to re-injury after the growth centers have closed.
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