Post by Glenn Fleisig, Ph.D. on Nov 14, 2014 10:31:14 GMT -6
daque and thepainguy, don't be so subtle. Let me know what you really think.
daque, maybe this is nothing new for you, but a surprisingly high percent of parents, coaches, and kids we meet don't know this information or have misinformation. Thus, if the website can data-driven concepts to the masses and conscience of the general public, this may lead to steps to reduce overuse injuries.
Chris, we always struggle with making pitch count limits too tight or too loose. As you know, there is no magic pitch count number that all kids can reach safely but all of their arms fall off on the next pitch. As you pointed out, making the limits relatively loose does not cause much problem for the kids who pitch a moderate amount and causes the most adjustment for kids who pitch excessively like on travel teams. While ASMI, USA Baseball, MLB Baseball, and Pitch Smart can recommend limits, ultimately it is the decision of a league or organization to decide how they want to balance the opportunity to play with injury risk. The primary responsibility of ASMI and other research centers is to show the statistical relationship between pitching amount and risk of injury.
Post by scorekeeper on Nov 22, 2014 15:43:08 GMT -6
While I’m glad that has been a subject of some discussion on the message boards and I congratulate you for a very nice coup, here’s a thread about Colorado, who’s contemplating becoming the 3rd state assn to convert to pitch counts.
You’d think these people who just refuse to come into the light would come up with better rationales than were being made back when LLI announced it was trying it out back in 2006(?), but it’s often the very same ignorance being shown.
Here’s what COs current HS pitching limitations currently are.
2960.1 A pitcher may appear in no more than 12 innings in any three consecutive calendar days. a. applies to regular season and playoffs b. one pitch equals an inning c. no exception for extra inning games. 2960.2 A pitcher may not appear in more than 70 innings, exclusive of district, regional and state playoff games during the season.
Think of what that’s really saying. A pitcher can throw 24 innings in a week, even if it means he throws an average of 50 pitches in each inning.
What they’re proposing is limiting the number of pitches to a mere 220 in a week, which is of course a number that means coaches will actually have to do something proactive about developing more pitchers.
If cutting back to those limits is so detrimental to programs, I hate to think what the pitchers in that state are doing!
Does anyone else wonder what this paranoia about pitch counts comes from?
These are basically the Little League pitch counts. As I recall, Dr. Andrews has already admitted that the LL numbers were a compromise, and were really higher than he would have liked. He/ASMI signed off on them back then just to get LL to do SOMETHING. Of course, now that they have been in effect for several years, there's not much way for him/ASMI to backtrack on them now. They're better than nothing, but they're still too high.