I have a high school age freshman who plays basketball and baseball. He is a baseball pitcher that needs to gain strength and endurance. I would like to hear thoughts on what to do with an athlete like this for strength and conditioning. I have a copy of the ASMI Conditioning Program for Baseball Pitchers. However, how can this program be done while in an in-season of strength and conditioning for basketball?
Post by baseonballs on Nov 16, 2007 12:51:57 GMT -6
My son is an athletic young freshman at a large all-boys high school in the Midwest. He has played football, basketball, and baseball until this year and is playing football and baseball as a freshman. He has excelled in all three sports, yet baseball is his favorite and best sport. He has played on a national travel team and done well. At his high school, the football coach (where the team is currently ranked 23th in USA Today’s rankings) demands a “total commitment” to the football program and requires the baseball players that play football to work out with the football team. Possibly if he did not pitch this may mean less, but everything that I have read (including Fastball Fitness and Fit to Pitch by Tom House) talks about how much traditional football training is different than conditioning for a baseball pitcher. I am trying to help him blend the two, yet wonder how successful it will go playing at a large school. Any thoughts?
My son is also a HS Freshman and is playing basketball and baseball. (Large Div 1A school) Baseball is #1 and basketball is #2 and he treats them as such. This is his one of his first lessons that life is full of compromises. He will be on of the top kids in the baseball program and a role player on the basketball team. Gives him a great perspective on team sports and the roles on a team.
He is a pitcher and his workouts are geared toward baseball, however he is planning his work out calendar around both sports. He lifted weights until the Nov. basketball season started, and he will not lift much until baseball season ends in June and then will get back into weight training up until basketball starts in Nov again. The baseball coach lets him come out with team and he gets in two long toss sessions per week during basketball season.
He wants to play college baseball so he is making this a year to year decision. Once the compromise becomes too costly for him to achieve his objective then he may change his mind. BTW he has a pitching coach (who is also tall and also played both sports) and he thinks that the explosiveness of basketball helps pitchers.
So from my perspective it just depends on your son's objectives and his ability. Frankly some kids can do three sports and excel in all of them and others (like my son) has to decide and make a decision what is more important for him. Others have told him "let the competition decide for you" so once it becomes obvious that his compromise is effecting his ability to achieve his objectives he will have a decision to make.
So I guess the best thing to do is have him set an objective and then make a decision based on his objectives.
BTW he is using Jeff Forney's baseball conditioning book as the basis for his work-outs.
Last Edit: Nov 19, 2007 11:37:49 GMT -6 by joebush
Post by Michael Ryan, ATC, CSCS on Nov 19, 2007 20:51:31 GMT -6
If he is practicing basketball each day, I would be very careful on making him workout for baseball. Nutrition and rest are #1 and #2 in no particular order. He is getting a good lower body strength and explosiveness and appropriate endurance with his running. Get with his high school ATC and be sure he is doing the throwers 10 exercises for his rotator cuff and arm correctly (www.asmi.org/asmiweb/throwers10.htm). Remember, without nutrition and rest, everything else is for naught!
Post by Glenn Fleisig, Ph.D. on Nov 20, 2007 16:19:45 GMT -6
It is very good for high school athletes to play multiple sports. However this can become a problem when they run into each other too much. For example, for "baseonballs", I have my doubts that having your baseball-football son be required to do all of the football training is going to work well for his baseball career. The demands of a football player and baseball pitcher are quite different, therefore the optimal training for them is quite different too. The strength coach needs to view the athlete as an individual, and design a program that meets his/her needs and goals.