Post by Jonathan D. Drisko, ATC, LAT on Jul 11, 2007 14:07:12 GMT -6
Hi Dr. Fleisig,
My name is Jonathan Drisko, I am a certified and licensed AT @ a HS in Massachusetts. I find everything that yourself and Dr. Andrews publish from ASMI to be extremely useful for my athletes. That being said, what are your feelings about catching and pitching in the same game. I have an athlete who will catch for 5-6 innings and often come in to pitch in the 7th inning. I have often though this could lead to a serious arm injury b/c catching is a grueling position and you spend a majority of your time crouched down. The legs get fatigued and in pitching your legs are very important. If the legs become tired, the athlete may compensate for being fatigued and hurt his shoulder or elbow. Any thought on this Dr. Fleisig?
I appreciate your time and effort... thanks in advance.
I am writing to better understand the recent rules changes in Llittle League baseball on Pitchers and Catchers and the data that supports those changes. As a Father of two little leaguers and an Engineer, I appreciate the work that you and Dr. Andrews are doing to preserve the health of kids. I am very supportive of the pitch count limitations for kids as I have seen first hand some of it effects.
In a recent article on Pitching limits, the ASMI position is that "ASMI supports the belief that, in general, youth baseball players in the United States do not throw enough. While young pitchers should be given adequate rest after pitching in competition, they should also be encouraged to throw in other settings (playing other positions, playing catch with parent or friends, practicing pitching, etc.)." However the newly instituted Little League rule that Pitchers throwing a single pitch, is restricted from catching for the remainder of the day seems to restrict those options.
Since Catchers typically do not throw the same number of times as the pitcher, (balls hit), nor as hard as pitchers do (Pitchers don't like getting ball thrown back at them that hard). Where did the logic for and supporting data for such a decision come from? If possible can you share the data collected on Catcher arm fatigue and how it relates to the kids.
Post by Glenn Fleisig, Ph.D. on Feb 7, 2008 15:40:17 GMT -6
Although we have only anecdotal evidence at this time, ASMI discourages a baseball player from pitching and catching in the same game.
Without data I don't know where to draw the line. Therefore, at this point, I would recommend that any player who has arm problems avoid any combination of pitching and catching (even different days). Players with no history of arm problems should avoid pitching and catching on the same day, and it is unknown whether pitching and catching on different days affects their risk of injury.
Again, ASMI knows of know scientific data linking catching to risk of pitching injury. You can take our opinions on this for what it's worth. We hope to study this scientifically in the future.
Post by Chris McMichael, MPH on Feb 7, 2008 15:56:24 GMT -6
In addition to what Dr. Fleisig has just said, ASMI has a Youth Pitching Study in progress that will attempt to address this and other issues in youth baseball.
It is a 10 yr follow-up study, started in 1999, on approximatly 500 youth pitchers. Each year these pitchers are contacted and asked about injury, doctors visits, amount of pitching, types of pitches, additional positions played and several other areas of interest.
The study concludes in one more year (2009)! At that time we hope to provide some insight into issues like the pitcher-catcher combination and it's effect on youth baseball injuries.
Thank you Dr Fleisig, for your response. We as a parents need to choose trusted experts carefully so that our children do not suffer unnecessary injury. It seems ironic that, Little League created rules to prevent pitchers from catching in the same day, without analytical data to support such a decision, but continue allow youngsters of 10-12yrs to throw the curve ball when such a wealth of surgical data available to show it's effect. My heart felt question is whether ASMI really believes that a Pitcher moving to Catcher is more potentially damaging to a kids arm than a Pitcher of such a young age throw a curve ball.
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